There are so many myths to psychadelics and i dont trust anyone at all with what they say since my trips have been entirely different than other peoples experiences but maybe you can help because of your age old wisdom!
i wanna talk about mushrooms (i know you dont do them anymore but you have done them and i need some reassurance) and the really bad trip i had on them. like it all started off great, the hardest i ever tripped in my life (i dont recommend mushroom tea unless you are prepared to be overtaken) but then turned into a tremor all of a sudden and i was scared to death and thought i was going insane and no one would be able to help me and/or i might die.
now this sucks when it happens but its ok when its over i mean you dont die on a bad trip but ! i have long term issues i need to talk about.
this might sound crazy but maybe a week after the bad trip i smoked pot and started having all these bad feelings like i had when i did the mushrooms but just went to my room and went to sleep and it made me nervous but i didnt worry too much about it. then a week later i smoked a sufficient amount of weed and i am damn sure that it wasnt a mind game it was like a mild trip on mushrooms and i started freaking out like having so called flashbacks (which i totally did not believe until now)
so i am definitely done with psychedelics for a while at the very least but even worse than now not being able to smoke weed is that now i am having these like mild panic attacks like in broad day light i will just get all paranoid and nervous for no reason at all and i am usually able to subside it but its still very uncomfortable.
i was just wondering what if anything can i do about this because whereas before ! it may just have been something someone said that set me off on a bad trip, now self inducement is causing all this and i am kinda lost with this. if you have any advice, have ever heard of such strange instances, please email me back, maybe just talking with an outside source will help. thanks, john
This kind of reaction is unusual, but not that rare. Flashbacks are real experiences in that you can get into almost the same headset as when you tripped. The chemical balance of the brain is something we still have much to learn about. Psychedelics upset this balance, by either causing more of certain chemicals to be released, or to prevent their accumulation. These are chemicals that are already in your brain. So you have the chemicals on hand all the time in your brain, whether you are tripping or not. So what can happen is something reminds your brain of what recently happened on your trip, and suddenly your brain starts doing the weird chemical thing it did when you are tripping. It’s not too different from when you hear a favorite song and it brings back the memories associated with that song. You can actually relive the feelings you had when you heard that song before. That’s a flashback.
So to fix your problem you need to do stop that song playing over and over. Sorta like that song you can’t get out of your head. I know one way is to play another song, but then that one could become the next one for your mind to obsess over.
It seems to me you probably have a lot of things you still haven’t worked out yet in your life. These things are nagging in your subconscious and seek release. This might inspire you to do more psychedelics to get to the bottom of it, but I implore you not to do anymore at all. For some people psychedelics are not good. People with underlying psychological problems find that psychedelics often exacerbate these problems. This may be the case with you. Anything from repressed memories to borderline psychosis can surface and cause far more problems. In addition, as I’ve mentioned before, some mushrooms contain quite a few toxins that can damage your body. So these factors combined can explain why some people don’t have pleasant experience.
The best thing I can suggest for the moment is that you try to anaylze what is happening to you and why. Why are you having such strong reactions long after the trip? I know that when I had some heavier trips I had to go completely straight for a period until I could sucessfully integrate the experience into my psyche. Pot would just give me flashbacks or prevent me from dealing with the internal issues that were trying to bubble up. That is what you should focus on. What is going on inside your head…
Now another thing you can do is get your body back in shape. Heavy trips often deplete essential nutrients from your body. I always recommend megadoses of B and C vitamins, and improving your diet to restore your body’s functioning to normal. Also exercise does wonders for getting your system back in equilibrium. Long walks or hikes in nature will work wonders for you. Do it! It worked for me.
I hope this helps!
May your path be clear.
-The Old Hippy
P.S. I don’t knock mushroom tea because it’s an easy way to control your dosage if you wait and sip a little at a time over the course of hours. If you drink several cups without waiting, then you’ll probably be in for a surprise, like the one you had.
I just read your response to the person who had an unpleasant trip on
mushrooms, and is having anxiety-laden flashbacks of varying intensity from
using milder hallucinogens.
I went through a three-month long unrelenting anxiety flashback from taking
LSD beginning a week after I’d taken it for the third time, when LSD was
What finally saved me from the anxiety was talking on the phone for five
minutes with a Chicago psychiatrist who was familiar with the drug’s effects
from giving it to terminal cancer patients and from taking it himself.
After asking me if I felt as though I might go out and not come back (lose
my mind), and getting a yes answer, he said, The next time you start to
feel that way, just lie down, get real comfortable, and say, ‘Fuck me’. I
felt anxiety free immediately and never was troubled by a flashback again,
despite my efforts to induce the flashback anxiety and despite my taking
several different psychedelics after that.
I later read the psychiatrist’s (Eric Kast, M.D.) monograph, entitled
Toward a Theory of Attenuation of Anxiety, in which he explained that
fighting the anxiety induced by LSD as the mind reorganizes and expands
itself under the drug’s influence only serves to increase the anxiety in a
vicious circle of anxiety, resistance, greater anxiety, more resistance,
Please share my experience and Kast’s monograph with the person who wrote to
you, so he can evaluate both for himself.
I’m keenly aware of what
this guy’s going through.
Heya! I was reading John’s story & it sounds just like what I’m goin’ through. I was at a festival & mixed too much. I started out with whipit’s, then acid, then mescalin, then I ate some rice krispy treats, then more acid (I ended up doin’ 65 whipits although I didn’t realize it til we counted the empty cartridges). After the second hit of acid, the music & lights stopped, so we laid down. I started melting. Into everything. Jim, the mattress, the earth, the universe. It was definitely the greatest trip. It was very spiritual until I realized I wasn’t breathing. I eeked out to Jim that I wasn’t breathing. He sat up & checked me(he’s amed student), sure enough, intermitent shallow, slow respiration at best. (he says that I let the whipits breathe for me too long, not to mention the change in gas exchange) He picked me up to help me put some sweats on & as soon as he let go of me, I fell back. He said I looked like I was dead. All I remember was feeling like I was drowning, & every so often, Jim would call to me & I would look up & see him like he was looking down a well at me, & I would try to swim back to him. He carried me to the car & drove me up to the camphouse where he had a nurse look at me (She wasn’t on duty, just my luck that she was there). She sat me down in a brightly lit room & between her & Jim kept me stimulated enough to stay awake through the night. When the sun came up, he drove me to his cousin’s house where he sat up & watched me sleep. He says that every once in a while I would stop breathing for a sec, then gasp & then settle asleep again. I wheezed for several weeks, & physical exersion brought on quick bouts of exhaustion. Since then, all my trips on anything have been identical. No change whatsoever (that night was a year & a half ago). I have anxiety attacks randomly with fears of dying or not breathing. I am very aware of my breathing & sometimes I feel a physical manifestation like I get a warm wave come over me, tingling, dizziness, etc. I am still able to smoke weed, & I can occasionally have a very mild trip, but they’re always the same, I don’t enjoy it the way I used to because they’re always the same & I’m always worried. I’ve sworn off whipits. I don’t want to give up tripping, I’ve had some great ones, but I have taken a break, for how long I guess it depends. I guess pass this on to John if you could, to let him know he’s not alone. His letter really struck me. I know exactly what he feels like. Thanks!
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I’m planning a shroom event……..
My question…….I CAN’T STAND the taste of those mushrooms, what is the
best way to ingest them???
I’ve heard in teas, also that milk products elimate the taste of the shroom.
Please explain to me the best way to process them?
My favorite way is to make honey from the fresh ‘shrooms. Just stick them in a jar of honey. After a few days the psilocybin leeches out into the honey and you can sweeten your tea with it. This way you can control your dose very carefully and you lose the intense mushroom flavor.
Other ideas are using them in soup, milkshakes, and omletes. In Holland they sell mushroom tea bags in the Smart shops. But as I’ve mentioned before, I don’t do mushrooms any more. They contain other toxins that can cause a lot of discomfort to some people.
-The Old Hippy
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-All Praise the Old Hippy-
much respect for you, the shaman of the next generation. I have an EXTREME
fascination w/ psychedelics and have done acid and shrooms a good amount of
times. at first, when i was young, i had fun. now i always get caught in
that grey, quiet, depressive state where all feels absolutely HOPELESS. i
also have short bursts of this intense hopelessness feeling when sober
now (spilt-second flashback?). i smoke weed everyday and am caught up in the
should i be smokin’ everyday loop of depression. i guess my question is
this. I have a good amount of problems, is it realistic to try and deal w/
these problems w/ psychedelic use? or should i deal w/ the depression
through yoga and meditation? Should i quit weed while working on the self, or
at least cut down? Does marijuana perpetuate my depression? Will psychedelics
do more bad than good while you are depressed?
i am 20, and have probably
been depressed for about 5-6 years. i have social anxiety disorder and have
not responded to prozac, but haven’t been very proactive in dealing with my
problems. Any advice you can give me about depression that isn’t well known
would be very helpful. I’d also like to know if salvia is worth trying.
thank you very much.
Cannabis and psychedelic drugs are NOT anti-depressants, and should NOT be
used to solve emotional problems. And yes, they can make things worse. You
say you’ve been depressed for 5-6 years. Have you been smoking pot that
long? If so there might be a connection!
Everyday use of marijuana really gets you in a rut, and the more you use,
the deeper the rut. Get it? You can get so low you can’t even see above
the ditch you’ve dug. So why not stop? Any change of mind will probably be
a big improvement. Oh you might get a little more depressed for a couple of
days when you first stop, but then, THEN, you’ll start feeling more alive
than you have in a long time. This is the point at which you must be
careful. I’ve learned that when you start to feel good naturally, it’s
like getting high, but that often kicks in a I feel great, let’s get high
syndrome that starts you smoking again. That’s the hard one to get beyond.
But once you do, you may find yourself with more energy and more motivated
than usual. Then you must focus that energy on something fun and
productive. So plan out what you’re going to do when you get straight, and
psyche yourself to do it! Either go back to school, or get a new job, or
take that trip, whatever, just take advantage of your newfound zest. Then
you won’t need the crutch of drugs to define your daily life.
Yoga and meditation are excellent for improving your mental and physical
condition, which could be a large part of your depression.
If you can manage that, and learn how to keep yourself straight when you
need or want to be straight, then perhaps you can approach cannabis again as
a therapeutic or recreational drug, not as a dependency.
If you cannot manage the above prescription, then you really should seek
outside help (as you’ve just done by writing me!). Why be miserable, when
you should be enjoying life?
I highly recommend you DON’T use salvia until your depression is cleared up! It won’t help!
Wishing you Health & Happiness,
The Old Hippy
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I ate way too many mushrooms on Dec. 23rd and had a trip that was way, way, way too intense for me. On that night I let go even though I wasn’t quite ready. It was really scary and way too much. I just layed on a bed moaning and groaning and experiencing every emotion I know of magnified by 5000. Now it’s more than 3 months later and I am afraid of psychedelics.
In the past they have opened my mind and truly changed me for the good. Now I am scared of them. I am in a
psychedelic jam band and all the dudes in my band are always wanting me to trip and play with them but I am too scared. I want to be able to trip again but you know how it is… if I was to get high now I’d probably think to myself oh no, what if I have a bad trip and then it’d become a bad trip! How can I ease myself in to tripping again?
Thanks old hippy!
Sounds like a very heavy experience! I think you should cool it for awhile. Doing psychedelics for kicks is not happening. They’re not party drugs and they don’t get you high, as you now realize.
Everyone comes to the point you’re at if they do enough mushrooms or acid. It does turn into a burnout. Timothy Leary was one of the few people I know who could do it regularly (once a week since the 60s he claimed). But he carefully controlled his set and setting each time, and respected but never abused the drug.
My problem with mushrooms has to do with the toxins. All magic mushrooms have a number of toxins that increase with the dose. These can really intensify the experience negatively. Your body is trying to stop being poisoned. What could have been a deeply satisfying trip turns into almost a matter of life and death. I once nearly killed myself on Amanita mushrooms.
So now I stay away almost entirely from psychedelics. Once you’ve been there and confronted your ego’s failings, it ain’t much fun to go back there again and again. I believe there is a collective experience we all have when we do psychedelics. That is, the experience and the place we reach is the same. If you learn the lessons there’s no reason to repeat them.
People who take these drugs just to get high are really trying to escape from reality and instead come face to face with their own mortality (instead of their immortality!). This causes them great depression when they crash, and rather than come to terms with themselves they seek to escape again.
I can only justify tripping to explore one’s inner self. I know musicians like it because they’re able to express themselves more easily (or at least they think so). Remember the Dead, my favorite band to trip to! If you want to seek further then as I said cool it for awhile (as long as a few years!) and if you still feel you are missing something you could try it again. It’s just a doorway. You get to see past the illusion but then you must return. But be careful of your dosage. That is very important. Also set and setting. Be in a supportive environment with supportive people, just in case.
the old hippy
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I have never tried mushrooms, although i know that i want to. recently,
however, my friend had a bad trip. he said that it was the worst he
ever felt and that he became so depressed that he actually considered
killing himself. this is the first time i have ever heard of a bad trip
off of mushrooms. i am wondering if it is common or if this is some
The way psilocybin, the active ingredient in mushrooms affects the brain is similar to that of LSD, affecting neurotransmitters. This can lead to a number of psychological manifestations. Depression is more likely if the dose is large and the trip is deep. Contributing factors can be a tendency towards depression, or a bad mind set going into it. Perhaps your friend was thinking he was just going to get high, and wasn’t prepared to undergo an intense inward experience. The setting is also important since some places have good vibes (like nature), and others can elicite negative responses (like cities). Perhaps most important is having someone supportive, who isn’t doing mushrooms, around to monitor the situation and help out if necessary.
I’m surprised that people are doing these drugs (still) without realizing
how powerful they are. LSD, psilocybin (mushrooms), mescaline (peyote)
are all heavy hallucinogens whose dose is very hard to gauge.
Each of these drugs has the potential of giving the user one of the most intense
experiences of his/her life. They are not to be taken lightly, they are not
for kicks or to get high. Many people take these psychedelics for the first
time expecting a party. It may start that way, but often it turns into
Scream, or some other horror movie gets shown at their own private cinema of
If you are prepared for this, knowing what might happen, and have the proper
set and setting then the chances of a good trip are maximized. What is a
good trip? I suppose it would be the one where the layers of the ego are
stripped away, and the now humbled tripper sees himself as an infinitesimal
speck in something so wonderful, that being just a speck, something alive
and aware, is far greater than anything he can imagine.
What a long strange trip,
The Old Hippy
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